Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers being old and needs updating. What devices I found updated online really meant better performance in Vista.
16- Internet Explorer 7 that is bundled in Vista is very strange!! I have it installed on the XP system without problems, but in Vista each time I answer a cookie (with yes or no) it gives me an error msg "Internet Explorer stopped working....... Windows will close the program and notify you for solution if available..... close program button...." then nothing is closed!! but the behavior of the IE becomes strange after that specially if I want to download a file, it will not download. In problem report and solutions, I found something related to ntdll.dll ! And I am not sure what is the problem or how to find what is causing it.
17- I choose to autohide the taskbar, and I have to press the windows button to get it while any window is opened, not just to move the mouse pointer down. I don't know how to get around this.
18- The tool tips are wonderful, very clear.
19- The local network connection is a breath, I found myself online without any effort, and also windows detected all the network components (still I have some old drivers issue but they work).
20- Windows Explorer in my opinion is a crowded mess. Comparing to any previous version of windows, it is very hard to get around in this one, I had to stay 2 hours to see where I am in what and how! and that small arrows to the left of the folders are hard to be detected, I have to aim the mouse pointer very good to be able to open a folder to see it's sub folders, or it will open in the right pane... which is something hard for me to learn again, or maybe I am old :). And these " my contacts, my photos, my videos....etc" takes a lot of space as if they are that important to life, for an old user like me, they don't mean a lot, I need the drive letters, the folders in these drives, then the files.... easy old me!
21- When I boot Vista, the Vista drive is read "C:\" and the XP drive is "D:\" .... When I boot the XP, the XP drive is "C:\" and the Vista drive is "D:\".... but since this is the first time for me to use 2 operating systems on one computer, I don't know if it's right or something is wrong.
22- As I said previously, there is an antivirus crises in Vista beta 2, I hope it will be solved, I read here http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Beta_1_Software_Compatibility_List, but it is for Vista beta 1, and I don't trust to force an installation that could harm the operating system, so I am waiting for any news. I think the same goes for the anti spyware programs.
23- Windows media player 11 is WONDERFUL, and as the Vista has improved media (visual and audio), it makes it x10 times better than what you can see in XP.
24- I am surprised that my rating is 3.... First I don't know 3 out of what, but I thought I had a nice configuration laptop, at least to have 5 :) .... I suggest to review again what resources Vista is needing, because like this many people will be afraid to buy the new operating system. A remark from me is that last year most companies were trying to quickly sell it's old stock of computers at lower prices for them to make new computers for Vista, and I guess a huge amount of people bought computers last year, so it is not likely to buy another computer again this year. My own opinion.
25- The side bar is a meaningless disaster, and the clock there are strange, always showing the wrong time :) .... besides adding weight to the system resources, the side bar has some issues making the windows slow in shutdown. the same about shutdown goes to Windows Defender.
26- Why winsat.exe reports critical error in the event viewer when I start Windows? Although it works fine.
These are my remarks until now and I still didn't test Office 2007 beta and other programs, which I will do soon and continue telling you the experiance (if I am not boring). Final conclusions:
1- Vista is very great, but not a big difference than XP, it is just a cinematic XP. So it is not a big jump in a future operating systems or anything.
2- The effects can be rated 10 out of 10, the ease of use 7 out of 10, the overall rate for the operating system is 8 out of 10.
3- I would definitely buy Windows Vista when it is out and tested, although until now I am still in love with XP.
4- All the betas I tested from Microsoft last month (IE7, Office 2007, and Vista) are wonderful. I say, keep working on the issues and don't listen to someone who will tell you other products in the market are better.... I try or tried everything out there (operating systems, office suites, and internet browsers) and they don't reach half the distance to Microsoft products. I hope you still can keep being the best.
My Vista experience
It is far too long for a newsgroup post. Don't you have a blog someplace for this?
"Moataz" wrote in message
Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers being old and needs updating. What devices I found updated online really meant better performance in Vista.
16- Internet Explorer 7 that is bundled in Vista is very strange!! I have it installed on the XP system without problems, but in Vista each time I answer a cookie (with yes or no) it gives me an error msg "Internet Explorer stopped working....... Windows will close the program and notify you for solution if available..... close program button...." then nothing is closed!! but the behavior of the IE becomes strange after that specially if I want to download a file, it will not download. In problem report and solutions, I found something related to ntdll.dll ! And I am not sure what is the problem or how to find what is causing it.
17- I choose to autohide the taskbar, and I have to press the windows button to get it while any window is opened, not just to move the mouse pointer down. I don't know how to get around this.
18- The tool tips are wonderful, very clear.
19- The local network connection is a breath, I found myself online without any effort, and also windows detected all the network components (still I have some old drivers issue but they work).
20- Windows Explorer in my opinion is a crowded mess. Comparing to any previous version of windows, it is very hard to get around in this one, I had to stay 2 hours to see where I am in what and how! and that small arrows to the left of the folders are hard to be detected, I have to aim the mouse pointer very good to be able to open a folder to see it's sub folders, or it will open in the right pane... which is something hard for me to learn again, or maybe I am old :). And these " my contacts, my photos, my videos....etc" takes a lot of space as if they are that important to life, for an old user like me, they don't mean a lot, I need the drive letters, the folders in these drives, then the files.... easy old me!
21- When I boot Vista, the Vista drive is read "C:\" and the XP drive is "D:\" .... When I boot the XP, the XP drive is "C:\" and the Vista drive is "D:\".... but since this is the first time for me to use 2 operating systems on one computer, I don't know if it's right or something is wrong.
22- As I said previously, there is an antivirus crises in Vista beta 2, I hope it will be solved, I read here http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Beta_1_Software_Compatibility_List, but it is for Vista beta 1, and I don't trust to force an installation that could harm the operating system, so I am waiting for any news. I think the same goes for the anti spyware programs.
23- Windows media player 11 is WONDERFUL, and as the Vista has improved media (visual and audio), it makes it x10 times better than what you can see in XP.
24- I am surprised that my rating is 3.... First I don't know 3 out of what, but I thought I had a nice configuration laptop, at least to have 5 :) .... I suggest to review again what resources Vista is needing, because like this many people will be afraid to buy the new operating system. A remark from me is that last year most companies were trying to quickly sell it's old stock of computers at lower prices for them to make new computers for Vista, and I guess a huge amount of people bought computers last year, so it is not likely to buy another computer again this year. My own opinion.
25- The side bar is a meaningless disaster, and the clock there are strange, always showing the wrong time :) .... besides adding weight to the system resources, the side bar has some issues making the windows slow in shutdown. the same about shutdown goes to Windows Defender.
26- Why winsat.exe reports critical error in the event viewer when I start Windows? Although it works fine.
These are my remarks until now and I still didn't test Office 2007 beta and other programs, which I will do soon and continue telling you the experiance (if I am not boring). Final conclusions:
1- Vista is very great, but not a big difference than XP, it is just a cinematic XP. So it is not a big jump in a future operating systems or anything.
2- The effects can be rated 10 out of 10, the ease of use 7 out of 10, the overall rate for the operating system is 8 out of 10.
3- I would definitely buy Windows Vista when it is out and tested, although until now I am still in love with XP.
4- All the betas I tested from Microsoft last month (IE7, Office 2007, and Vista) are wonderful. I say, keep working on the issues and don't listen to someone who will tell you other products in the market are better.... I try or tried everything out there (operating systems, office suites, and internet browsers) and they don't reach half the distance to Microsoft products. I hope you still can keep being the best.
:-} LOL! :-D -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
It is far too long for a newsgroup post. Don't you have a blog someplace for this?
"Moataz" wrote in message Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers being old and needs updating. What devices I found updated online really meant better performance in Vista.
16- Internet Explorer 7 that is bundled in Vista is very strange!! I have it installed on the XP system without problems, but in Vista each time I answer a cookie (with yes or no) it gives me an error msg "Internet Explorer stopped working....... Windows will close the program and notify you for solution if available..... close program button...." then nothing is closed!! but the behavior of the IE becomes strange after that specially if I want to download a file, it will not download. In problem report and solutions, I found something related to ntdll.dll ! And I am not sure what is the problem or how to find what is causing it.
17- I choose to autohide the taskbar, and I have to press the windows button to get it while any window is opened, not just to move the mouse pointer down. I don't know how to get around this.
18- The tool tips are wonderful, very clear.
19- The local network connection is a breath, I found myself online without any effort, and also windows detected all the network components (still I have some old drivers issue but they work).
20- Windows Explorer in my opinion is a crowded mess. Comparing to any previous version of windows, it is very hard to get around in this one, I had to stay 2 hours to see where I am in what and how! and that small arrows to the left of the folders are hard to be detected, I have to aim the mouse pointer very good to be able to open a folder to see it's sub folders, or it will open in the right pane... which is something hard for me to learn again, or maybe I am old :). And these " my contacts, my photos, my videos....etc" takes a lot of space as if they are that important to life, for an old user like me, they don't mean a lot, I need the drive letters, the folders in these drives, then the files.... easy old me!
21- When I boot Vista, the Vista drive is read "C:\" and the XP drive is "D:\" .... When I boot the XP, the XP drive is "C:\" and the Vista drive is "D:\".... but since this is the first time for me to use 2 operating systems on one computer, I don't know if it's right or something is wrong.
22- As I said previously, there is an antivirus crises in Vista beta 2, I hope it will be solved, I read here http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Beta_1_Software_Compatibility_List, but it is for Vista beta 1, and I don't trust to force an installation that could harm the operating system, so I am waiting for any news. I think the same goes for the anti spyware programs.
23- Windows media player 11 is WONDERFUL, and as the Vista has improved media (visual and audio), it makes it x10 times better than what you can see in XP.
24- I am surprised that my rating is 3.... First I don't know 3 out of what, but I thought I had a nice configuration laptop, at least to have 5 :) .... I suggest to review again what resources Vista is needing, because like this many people will be afraid to buy the new operating system. A remark from me is that last year most companies were trying to quickly sell it's old stock of computers at lower prices for them to make new computers for Vista, and I guess a huge amount of people bought computers last year, so it is not likely to buy another computer again this year. My own opinion.
25- The side bar is a meaningless disaster, and the clock there are strange, always showing the wrong time :) .... besides adding weight to the system resources, the side bar has some issues making the windows slow in shutdown. the same about shutdown goes to Windows Defender.
26- Why winsat.exe reports critical error in the event viewer when I start Windows? Although it works fine.
These are my remarks until now and I still didn't test Office 2007 beta and other programs, which I will do soon and continue telling you the experiance (if I am not boring). Final conclusions:
1- Vista is very great, but not a big difference than XP, it is just a cinematic XP. So it is not a big jump in a future operating systems or anything.
2- The effects can be rated 10 out of 10, the ease of use 7 out of 10, the overall rate for the operating system is 8 out of 10.
3- I would definitely buy Windows Vista when it is out and tested, although until now I am still in love with XP.
4- All the betas I tested from Microsoft last month (IE7, Office 2007, and Vista) are wonderful. I say, keep working on the issues and don't listen to someone who will tell you other products in the market are better.... I try or tried everything out there (operating systems, office suites, and internet browsers) and they don't reach half the distance to Microsoft products. I hope you still can keep being the best.
Whatever other reactions he has to Vista, it doesn't leave him speechless!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
:-} LOL! :-D -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message It is far too long for a newsgroup post. Don't you have a blog someplace for this?
"Moataz" wrote in message Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers being old and needs updating. What devices I found updated online really meant better performance in Vista.
16- Internet Explorer 7 that is bundled in Vista is very strange!! I have it installed on the XP system without problems, but in Vista each time I answer a cookie (with yes or no) it gives me an error msg "Internet Explorer stopped working....... Windows will close the program and notify you for solution if available..... close program button...." then nothing is closed!! but the behavior of the IE becomes strange after that specially if I want to download a file, it will not download. In problem report and solutions, I found something related to ntdll.dll ! And I am not sure what is the problem or how to find what is causing it.
17- I choose to autohide the taskbar, and I have to press the windows button to get it while any window is opened, not just to move the mouse pointer down. I don't know how to get around this.
18- The tool tips are wonderful, very clear.
19- The local network connection is a breath, I found myself online without any effort, and also windows detected all the network components (still I have some old drivers issue but they work).
20- Windows Explorer in my opinion is a crowded mess. Comparing to any previous version of windows, it is very hard to get around in this one, I had to stay 2 hours to see where I am in what and how! and that small arrows to the left of the folders are hard to be detected, I have to aim the mouse pointer very good to be able to open a folder to see it's sub folders, or it will open in the right pane... which is something hard for me to learn again, or maybe I am old :). And these " my contacts, my photos, my videos....etc" takes a lot of space as if they are that important to life, for an old user like me, they don't mean a lot, I need the drive letters, the folders in these drives, then the files.... easy old me!
21- When I boot Vista, the Vista drive is read "C:\" and the XP drive is "D:\" .... When I boot the XP, the XP drive is "C:\" and the Vista drive is "D:\".... but since this is the first time for me to use 2 operating systems on one computer, I don't know if it's right or something is wrong.
22- As I said previously, there is an antivirus crises in Vista beta 2, I hope it will be solved, I read here http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Beta_1_Software_Compatibility_List, but it is for Vista beta 1, and I don't trust to force an installation that could harm the operating system, so I am waiting for any news. I think the same goes for the anti spyware programs.
23- Windows media player 11 is WONDERFUL, and as the Vista has improved media (visual and audio), it makes it x10 times better than what you can see in XP.
24- I am surprised that my rating is 3.... First I don't know 3 out of what, but I thought I had a nice configuration laptop, at least to have 5 :) .... I suggest to review again what resources Vista is needing, because like this many people will be afraid to buy the new operating system. A remark from me is that last year most companies were trying to quickly sell it's old stock of computers at lower prices for them to make new computers for Vista, and I guess a huge amount of people bought computers last year, so it is not likely to buy another computer again this year. My own opinion.
25- The side bar is a meaningless disaster, and the clock there are strange, always showing the wrong time :) .... besides adding weight to the system resources, the side bar has some issues making the windows slow in shutdown. the same about shutdown goes to Windows Defender.
26- Why winsat.exe reports critical error in the event viewer when I start Windows? Although it works fine.
These are my remarks until now and I still didn't test Office 2007 beta and other programs, which I will do soon and continue telling you the experiance (if I am not boring). Final conclusions:
1- Vista is very great, but not a big difference than XP, it is just a cinematic XP. So it is not a big jump in a future operating systems or anything.
2- The effects can be rated 10 out of 10, the ease of use 7 out of 10, the overall rate for the operating system is 8 out of 10.
3- I would definitely buy Windows Vista when it is out and tested, although until now I am still in love with XP.
4- All the betas I tested from Microsoft last month (IE7, Office 2007, and Vista) are wonderful. I say, keep working on the issues and don't listen to someone who will tell you other products in the market are better.... I try or tried everything out there (operating systems, office suites, and internet browsers) and they don't reach half the distance to Microsoft products. I hope you still can keep being the best.
Mahalo! Moataz! ...For Taking The Time To Post Your "Vista eXPerience"! ;-)
I Found Your Post Informative, EnCouraging! & EXACTLY The Kinda of Feedback That, I & Microsoft Are L@@Kin'4! ;-)
Please DisRegard The Rude Posts of These 2 A$$Holes: Colin Barnhorst & Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
Aloha!
;-)
"Moataz" wrote:
Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers being old and needs updating. What devices I found updated online really meant better performance in Vista.
16- Internet Explorer 7 that is bundled in Vista is very strange!! I have it installed on the XP system without problems, but in Vista each time I answer a cookie (with yes or no) it gives me an error msg "Internet Explorer stopped working....... Windows will close the program and notify you for solution if available..... close program button...." then nothing is closed!! but the behavior of the IE becomes strange after that specially if I want to download a file, it will not download. In problem report and solutions, I found something related to ntdll.dll ! And I am not sure what is the problem or how to find what is causing it.
17- I choose to autohide the taskbar, and I have to press the windows button to get it while any window is opened, not just to move the mouse pointer down. I don't know how to get around this.
18- The tool tips are wonderful, very clear.
19- The local network connection is a breath, I found myself online without any effort, and also windows detected all the network components (still I have some old drivers issue but they work).
20- Windows Explorer in my opinion is a crowded mess. Comparing to any previous version of windows, it is very hard to get around in this one, I had to stay 2 hours to see where I am in what and how! and that small arrows to the left of the folders are hard to be detected, I have to aim the mouse pointer very good to be able to open a folder to see it's sub folders, or it will open in the right pane... which is something hard for me to learn again, or maybe I am old :). And these " my contacts, my photos, my videos....etc" takes a lot of space as if they are that important to life, for an old user like me, they don't mean a lot, I need the drive letters, the folders in these drives, then the files.... easy old me!
21- When I boot Vista, the Vista drive is read "C:\" and the XP drive is "D:\" .... When I boot the XP, the XP drive is "C:\" and the Vista drive is "D:\".... but since this is the first time for me to use 2 operating systems on one computer, I don't know if it's right or something is wrong.
22- As I said previously, there is an antivirus crises in Vista beta 2, I hope it will be solved, I read here http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Beta_1_Software_Compatibility_List, but it is for Vista beta 1, and I don't trust to force an installation that could harm the operating system, so I am waiting for any news. I think the same goes for the anti spyware programs.
23- Windows media player 11 is WONDERFUL, and as the Vista has improved media (visual and audio), it makes it x10 times better than what you can see in XP.
24- I am surprised that my rating is 3.... First I don't know 3 out of what, but I thought I had a nice configuration laptop, at least to have 5 :) .... I suggest to review again what resources Vista is needing, because like this many people will be afraid to buy the new operating system. A remark from me is that last year most companies were trying to quickly sell it's old stock of computers at lower prices for them to make new computers for Vista, and I guess a huge amount of people bought computers last year, so it is not likely to buy another computer again this year. My own opinion.
25- The side bar is a meaningless disaster, and the clock there are strange, always showing the wrong time :) .... besides adding weight to the system resources, the side bar has some issues making the windows slow in shutdown. the same about shutdown goes to Windows Defender.
26- Why winsat.exe reports critical error in the event viewer when I start Windows? Although it works fine.
These are my remarks until now and I still didn't test Office 2007 beta and other programs, which I will do soon and continue telling you the experiance (if I am not boring). Final conclusions:
1- Vista is very great, but not a big difference than XP, it is just a cinematic XP. So it is not a big jump in a future operating systems or anything.
2- The effects can be rated 10 out of 10, the ease of use 7 out of 10, the overall rate for the operating system is 8 out of 10.
3- I would definitely buy Windows Vista when it is out and tested, although until now I am still in love with XP.
4- All the betas I tested from Microsoft last month (IE7, Office 2007, and Vista) are wonderful. I say, keep working on the issues and don't listen to someone who will tell you other products in the market are better.... I try or tried everything out there (operating systems, office suites, and internet browsers) and they don't reach half the distance to Microsoft products. I hope you still can keep being the best.
....U A$$! :-(
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
It is far too long for a newsgroup post. Don't you have a blog someplace for this?
....U 2! :-(
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
> :-} LOL! :-D
I found it very informative. Did any or you actually read it, or did you get scared off by the length? (no fair actually reading it before you reply)
Whatever other reactions he has to Vista, it doesn't leave him speechless!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message :-} LOL! :-D -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message It is far too long for a newsgroup post. Don't you have a blog someplace for this?
"Moataz" wrote in message Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers being old and needs updating. What devices I found updated online really meant better performance in Vista.
16- Internet Explorer 7 that is bundled in Vista is very strange!! I have it installed on the XP system without problems, but in Vista each time I answer a cookie (with yes or no) it gives me an error msg "Internet Explorer stopped working....... Windows will close the program and notify you for solution if available..... close program button...." then nothing is closed!! but the behavior of the IE becomes strange after that specially if I want to download a file, it will not download. In problem report and solutions, I found something related to ntdll.dll ! And I am not sure what is the problem or how to find what is causing it.
17- I choose to autohide the taskbar, and I have to press the windows button to get it while any window is opened, not just to move the mouse pointer down. I don't know how to get around this.
18- The tool tips are wonderful, very clear.
19- The local network connection is a breath, I found myself online without any effort, and also windows detected all the network components (still I have some old drivers issue but they work).
20- Windows Explorer in my opinion is a crowded mess. Comparing to any previous version of windows, it is very hard to get around in this one, I had to stay 2 hours to see where I am in what and how! and that small arrows to the left of the folders are hard to be detected, I have to aim the mouse pointer very good to be able to open a folder to see it's sub folders, or it will open in the right pane... which is something hard for me to learn again, or maybe I am old :). And these " my contacts, my photos, my videos....etc" takes a lot of space as if they are that important to life, for an old user like me, they don't mean a lot, I need the drive letters, the folders in these drives, then the files.... easy old me!
21- When I boot Vista, the Vista drive is read "C:\" and the XP drive is "D:\" .... When I boot the XP, the XP drive is "C:\" and the Vista drive is "D:\".... but since this is the first time for me to use 2 operating systems on one computer, I don't know if it's right or something is wrong.
22- As I said previously, there is an antivirus crises in Vista beta 2, I hope it will be solved, I read here http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Beta_1_Software_Compatibility_List, but it is for Vista beta 1, and I don't trust to force an installation that could harm the operating system, so I am waiting for any news. I think the same goes for the anti spyware programs.
23- Windows media player 11 is WONDERFUL, and as the Vista has improved media (visual and audio), it makes it x10 times better than what you can see in XP.
24- I am surprised that my rating is 3.... First I don't know 3 out of what, but I thought I had a nice configuration laptop, at least to have 5 :) .... I suggest to review again what resources Vista is needing, because like this many people will be afraid to buy the new operating system. A remark from me is that last year most companies were trying to quickly sell it's old stock of computers at lower prices for them to make new computers for Vista, and I guess a huge amount of people bought computers last year, so it is not likely to buy another computer again this year. My own opinion.
25- The side bar is a meaningless disaster, and the clock there are strange, always showing the wrong time :) .... besides adding weight to the system resources, the side bar has some issues making the windows slow in shutdown. the same about shutdown goes to Windows Defender.
26- Why winsat.exe reports critical error in the event viewer when I start Windows? Although it works fine.
These are my remarks until now and I still didn't test Office 2007 beta and other programs, which I will do soon and continue telling you the experiance (if I am not boring). Final conclusions:
1- Vista is very great, but not a big difference than XP, it is just a cinematic XP. So it is not a big jump in a future operating systems or anything.
2- The effects can be rated 10 out of 10, the ease of use 7 out of 10, the overall rate for the operating system is 8 out of 10.
3- I would definitely buy Windows Vista when it is out and tested, although until now I am still in love with XP.
4- All the betas I tested from Microsoft last month (IE7, Office 2007, and Vista) are wonderful. I say, keep working on the issues and don't listen to someone who will tell you other products in the market are better.... I try or tried everything out there (operating systems, office suites, and internet browsers) and they don't reach half the distance to Microsoft products. I hope you still can keep being the best.
I did not read it. I might have if it was a brief summary with a link to the article. Extremely long posts and binaries significantly increase the time to download for folks still using modems (many). Newsgroup ettiquette has provisions for posting such things. Anyway, the newsgroups are good places to post questions and answers, but dissertations are not often appreciated. Particularly annoying is blogging in a newsgroup.
"Cueless" wrote in message
I found it very informative. Did any or you actually read it, or did you get scared off by the length? (no fair actually reading it before you reply) Whatever other reactions he has to Vista, it doesn't leave him speechless!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message :-} LOL! :-D -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message It is far too long for a newsgroup post. Don't you have a blog someplace for this?
"Moataz" wrote in message Hi,
I want to share my experience and opinion about Windows Vista (beta 2), and I am sorry if it a too long msg, I just hope it can be useful to anyone:
1- I use an Acer TravelMate 4602WLMI laptop, Intel Pentium M740 1.73 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 80 GB HDD, 1 GB DDR RAM, 15.4" WXGA wide TF LCD monitor, ATI Mobility Radeon x600 PCI express graphics card (display driver) with 64MB VRAM, DVD/CD Dual (Support DVD RW), and running Windows XP proffisional SP2.
2- I downloaded Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor beta, and it told me I "may not" be able to use the Aero functionality because my ATI has 64 MB memory, and some other drivers that "may not" exist for some devices I have. I got ready finding these drivers from the devices vendors, and also it was important to visit the ATI site, because they have new drivers designed for Vista beta 2.
3- I downloaded the beta 2 ISO file from the Microsoft site using my download manager, I didn't have any troubles doing that, and it took 8 hours at 120 kb/s.
4- I made MD5 and CRC check on the file I downloaded, because many users reported corrupted file after downloading: - File Size = 3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes) - CRC Value = 0x67E089E0 - MD5 Value = 0E733AB1A8E8FF9A8684FD3639332773
5- I read all the documentation online and the other users comments about Vista installation to be aware of the problems I would face (very important to start with that before installing any application, and specially beta's).
6- I decided (of course) to make a clean Vista installation (not wise to upgrade on a machine I use for primary work) on a second partition so it can dual boot the XP and Vista. I used Partition magic to divide my HD, 40GB for the XP and all my programs (FAT32) (drive C:\), 20GB for the Vista (NTFS) (drive D:\), 20GB for the backup files (NTFS) (drive F:\), and my DVD remained at drive E:\.
7- Previously, I installed Microsoft Office 2007 Beta, and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2, and they were working very wonderful on my XP (I had some problems with them, but using Microsoft help made me solve that), and I read somewhere a comment that I should uninstall Office 2007 before attempting to install Windows Vista..... I think that comment was for upgrading a previous version of windows to Vista, but I uninstalled anyway, and I discovered no relation after that. (This is the first time in my 15 years computer using life to use dual booting operating systems, so that was also a new experience to me).
8- I did the first easiest thing to start installing from the ISO file, I mounted it to a Daemon tools driver under my Windows XP, and the installation window poped up, I pointed to drive D:\ , it started to install, and it gave me an error "at least one device driver that maybe required to boot this system is not available......" it asked me to load the necessary boot critical device..... the device name is D347prt SCSI controller. A search for what this device is showed me it is the Daemon tools driver. And I couldn't find an answer to how to bypass this, So I cancelled installing Vista this way.
9- While Daemon tools still running, I copied all the files and folders extracted from the ISO to the C:\ driver (I created a folder for that), then I uninstalled Daemon tools, rebooted, and made sure this SCSI controller is not on my device manager anymore. Under my XP again, I started the installation from the setup.exe file.... started, drive D:\ decision, and it finished copying and extracting the files to my computer.... then at boot time, another error "Vista installation encountered an error and needs to close" without specifying what that error is, and only an ok button that ended the installation.
10- I burned the ISO image to a DVD, and started the Vista installation under XP, and the same happened like in step 8.
11- I decided to boot from the DVD, and I made the DVD drive is the first boot drive from the setup menu (right after starting the laptop), this time the installation went without any single problem, installed to drive D:\ as I wanted, became a dual boot operating system laptop, and I could REALLY see the Vista on my computer :) ......... I started this step at 4:20 pm , and I finished installing and starting the Vista at 5:34 pm (74 minutes) ... which is not bad at all, but I think it can be faster (I don't understand what is the reason of copying files the extracting file!! Maybe there is a reason for this).
12- The Vista starting was easy, but it took too much time (between black screens and restarting the computer many times).
13- Vista is a cinematic operating system, very wonderful, colorful, and very pleasant in media playing.
14- Despite what Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor told me about Aero, I could use it with ATI Mobility Radeon x600 with 64 MB VRAM, and the first thing I did was installing the new ATI drivers, and it REALLY made the Aero an AERO :).... so the first lesson I learned is to find drivers for all the devices that are designed for Vista, it's very different that those for XP (or I think).
15- Most companies are still sleeping I guess, either no drivers update (they stopped at XP SP2), or their programs will not run on Windows Vista (All anti viruses, antispyware, and Yahoo messenger..... at least what is a freeware of them, and what I trust more). So most errors in Vista are related to device drivers<